Lost songs in the BMI Database

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  • #7038
    mark sturdy
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      More trainspotting and digging-up of obscurities!

      Don’t know how many of us are familiar with the BMI database, which is a database for music publishing rights management. Basically you can put in a composer or an artist, and it comes up with a full list of all compositions that have been registered through their music publishers. In Jake’s case, there are absolutely loads of songs that I’m not familiar with:

      http://repertoire.bmi.com/Catalog.aspx?detail=writerid&keyid=340602&subid=0&page=1&fromrow=1&torow=25

      Titles I didn’t know include:

      Agatha
      Beauty Queens
      Body Builder’s Song
      Bus Conductor’s Song
      Children’s Song 1
      Codger (maybe a typo for The Lodger?)
      Counting Sheep
      Country Blues
      Death (= Last Will?)
      Dog Song I Was A Prince
      Farrow People
      Fashion / Fashion Musical Links (from Jake’s Scene?)
      Fifty (sic) Golightly
      Fisherman’s Song
      Flex Your Do Dans
      Food Song
      God Bless Newcastle Fest
      Good Day Jupiter
      Goodbye 1970
      I’ve Travelled the World Round and Round
      Lindfield Ladies
      Listen to the Band
      Lost Property Song
      Millionaire
      Miniature Spanish Suite
      Minister
      My Missus (Jake’s Wedding)
      Newcast Festival Songs 1 and 2
      Oh Charlie Windsor
      Our Little Arthur
      Over in Bethlehem
      Playgroup Song
      Politician’s Song
      Radio Leeds Opening
      Ram
      Song About Love
      Sophy and Timothy
      Stumbling Fumbling Round
      Swaledale / Swaledale Musical Links (Jake’s Scene?)
      Thursday Two O’Clock
      Tickertape
      Tractors
      Two O’Clock on Tuesday
      Uncle Water
      Which Way
      World
      World of Swaledale
      Would’ve Been Easy
      Yorkshire Dales
      You and Your Child

      Phew!

      Possibly some of these are working titles for more familiar songs, but a lot of them must be completely lost songs, presumably his ‘point’ numbers for TV for the most part. Anyone familiar with any of the above?

      #7039
      mark sturdy
      Participant

        Talking to myself here, but I’ve found a couple of snippets about Fifi Golightly and Millionaire:

        A 12-year old post on this forum recalls watching Jake on Braden’s Week: “I remember one song in which Jake reflected that if he were a millionaire and presented his lady love with an elephant, she’d be bound to complain that “you never know where the trunk has been” and another that began “Fifi Golightly / I’m ever so slightly / In love with you …”

        A 1969 Radio Times listing for Braden’s Week has a nice bit about Jake – “If Noel Coward had been born in Leeds it would not have been necessary to invent Jake Thackray. As it is, there are differences. In the world of Noel Coward, men enter through french windows saying “Anyone for tennis?” In Jake’s world they come through pub doors saying “Where’s the draught beer?”
        So far, in the songs he writes each week, Jake has fallen in love with our Sally-Ann girl, dreamed of kissing a vicar’s missus, lusted after a newspaper pin-up called Fifi Golightly, and knocked ash from his pipe all over his landlord’s suede shoes. This week… only Jake knows.”

        #7040
        Pam
        Participant

          You’re having a great conversation with yourself, Mark! But how amazing is this? It would be so good to know if any of these titles are just alternatives to songs we already know, but i have a very early programme in which lots of titles are listed, but I don’t think they’re all titles we’ve recognised. I could send photos, if only i could find out how to do that!

          #7042
          Pam
          Participant

            I think I might have found out how to attach a picture, but if it doesn’t work I hope I can delete it afterwards!

            #7043
            mark sturdy
            Participant

              Many thanks for posting that Pam! A fantastic relic. As the songs seem to go up as far as the Bantam Cock album I’d guess it’s from the early 70s?

              Very little crossover between the unheard songs on that list and my list, interestingly. I suppose When I Get Filthy Rich could be Millionaire?

              #7044
              Hugh Williams
              Participant

                You’re not talking to yourself, Mark. I just haven’t logged on for a day or two. And well done Pam for sussing out how to attach your attachment !
                All good stuff.
                (Now if only we could unearth the Phantom Flan Flinger song……..!)
                Lol
                Hughie

                #7049
                Paul
                Keymaster

                  A fair few of these titles look as though they will be songs from Tickertape, I think, and the list doesn’t include anything post-Bantam Cock.

                  The Lonely American is God Bless America (which I think is the title given when John Watterson and I looked at the lyrics in the BBC’s paper archives at Cranley).

                  ‘Fumbly Stumbling Around’ is a line from the recurring song Fashion which is the theme of one of the two Jake’s Scene programmes.

                  Radio Leeds Opening is exactly that – it uses the tune of Miss World and is a one minute jingle to announce the opening of BBC Radio Leeds. John Watterson got asked to write an updated version for the anniversary a couple of years ago.

                  Country Blues might well be The Poor Sod which, although not released until 1976, had been around for some time, I think.

                  #7051
                  mark sturdy
                  Participant

                    Thanks Paul. I’m guessing nothing at all survives of Tickertape? All I could find online was a list of episode dates from 1968 – 16 episodes, all of which are apparently lost.

                    #7053
                    Paul
                    Keymaster

                      Sadly, nothing from Tickertape survives. The company reused the tapes, wiping them every time. Jake, I’m sure, would be pleased, as he was always hugely embarrassed about having done the programmes.

                      #7054
                      mark sturdy
                      Participant

                        It’s a shame all the same – most of us being kinder judges of Jake’s dregs than Jake himself!

                        I suppose chances of any episodes ever being found are pretty remote – it doesn’t seem like the sort of thing that would have been sold overseas, which is how wiped episodes of things like Doctor Who tend to get recovered. The only vague possibility could be if anyone involved with the programme managed to get hold of a copy for their own use, and it’s somehow survived in a personal archive somewhere – maybe Bernard Bresslaw or the producer David Coulter, or one of the guests like Ray Davies. Improbable, but stranger things happen..

                        #7055
                        Hugh Williams
                        Participant

                          I like the way you think, Mark.
                          I hate to be pessimistic but it is the way I thought when I brought up the TISWAS topic all those years ago. Surely one of Jake’s family or even Chris Tarrant himself would at least have remembered him being on the show but nothing ever came properly to light. In fact until “sbriddon” turned up I was a lone voice on the topic.
                          (Having said that, I was shown a photograph of myself at a “Vicar and Tarts” evening from many a long year ago and I have no recollection of it whatsoever. I’m imagining alcohol was consumed !)

                          #7056
                          mark sturdy
                          Participant

                            Hold your breath Hughie… I may be about to post something on said TISWAS topic.

                            #7061
                            Hugh Williams
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                              Thankyou doesn’t begin to cover it !
                              (More elsewhere !!)
                              Hughie

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