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Eileen
We had extensive conversations with the BBC about this some time ago. There is some good stuff in the archives and the Beeb are more than happy to have us release Jake material on DVD and were very helpful – but their commercial arm which is responsible for licensing asked for a fee of £1000 per broadcast minute. A significant chunk was required upfront before we got anywhere near artist’s royalties, publishing royalties and the actual costs of production of DVDs.
Once the total costs were calculated and the likely market estimated, we concluded that it was way out of our league. Sadly this is likely to remain the case until either the archive appears on iPlayer or their licence structure changes.
Ian
I suspect that this makes me either appallingly ignorant or dreadfully uncool, but I had to Google Thea Gilmour to find out who she is!
She has good taste in music though, as did her dad…
Ian
Hi Pete
I’ve not been around the board much recently and spotted this post sitting forlornly without a reply.
Welcome along.
Ian
Hello Jon, welcome along
As Paul says, the Camera and the Song remains in the BBC archives. The Nationwide stuff might remain but is not certain to beyond the snippet of the Municipal Workers Song.
I saw Jake three times, once in the George Square Theatre in Edinburgh which is largish, Once at the 16th Cambridge Folk Festival when he was on the main stage in front of a big crowd in a field, and again at the same Cambridge Festival in the smaller tent I think. He was great each time.
Ian
It was unfortunate, however, that after a stunning run of success in Holmfirth and Scarborough, the combination of me, Malcy and (crucially) Black Sheep Ale led to havoc during verse three of I Stayed Off Work Today, the tricky old juridical causing some problems there.
I enjoyed it.
Ian
Post edited by: aliasmacalias, at: 2007/06/20 15:28
Do it for Ian !
No! do it for Jake.
I fear that Gentle Giant, almost unknown outside of the ranks of prog fans, still have a larger following than Jake.
Ian
I think that I’m the only one of the regulars who plays this and I don’t play it like Jake does! I think that the lyric is elsewhere on the site. I play it something like:
(F)Little (G)Tommy (C)Haverley (Am > F > G)Born upon a (C)Tues-(E)day (Am > descending bass)Your mother has bought a cherry tree (G)to plant for (C)you.
That should be enough to let you work it out. If I recall correctly Jake played it in D but I may be wrong and he threw in some stray 9th chords. I smooth out the rhythm and play more open chords (for example in the "F" above I don’t fret the G or E strings). Too much of a folkie I suppose.
I played this at the Jakefest at Torrington a couple of years ago shortly after discovering that Thomas Haverley’s mum and dad were in the audience with Sheila Thackray. They told me that the story is true but that shortly after the cherry tree was planted it was eaten by the family goat.
Ian
Post edited by: aliasmacalias, at: 2007/05/25 09:54
Probably Sister Josephine on That’s Life but it might have been something else on either Braden or Up Sunday. Certainly it is Sister Jo which is in the memory.
Then at some point I found Bantam Cock on vinyl and shortly afterwards caught him twice at the 17th Cambridge Folk Festival (with Alan Williams)and then again at the George Square Theatre in Edinburgh.
I remember vividly one of the Cambridge sets – The Kiss, Hair of the Widow of Brid, Blacksmith and the Toffee Maker, The Brigadier, The Remembrance, Sister Jo, and The Bull. Possibly a couple of others like Bantam Cock and Lah-di-dah but would have been 45 minutes so with chat that is about right.
Ian
Post edited by: aliasmacalias, at: 2007/05/14 19:53
My first encounter with Ian was in the early days of the Topica mailing list in 2002. I’d posted some piece of inconsequential trivia and was met with a blast of a response from Ian as follows:-
Sorry, I thought this was a site for Jake addicts rather than a folkies’wankathon.
It was only later – and with some trepidation – that I met the man at Jake’s Wake in York and got to know him a little (though not very well) and came to enjoy his company on line and at the occasional Jakefest.
One thing not in Sarah’s note which I posted above for her: in the sixties Ian was one of those who first gave Jake opportunity to perform on stage while he was still a teacher in Leeds and for that every member of this board should pause for a moment and reflect on how much we owe him.
Ian
A reminder to anyone in the vicinity of the Holmfirth Festival of Folk next Saturday 12 May to come along to the function room of the Old Bridge Hotel for 7.30pm and support your local Jake Thackray Experience.
WE will give you thirty-odd of Jake’s songs over a two hour period
YOU can sing along and enjoy Jake’s songs in the environment where they must be kept alive – with a warm, breathing, laughing, flirting, drinking audience having a right good time.
Best of all you won’t be at home watching the Eurovision Song Contest for want of anything better to do.
Are you Experienced? You will be: be there or be square
Ian
There is a lot of variation in tastes here. Most frequently playing in my house at the moment are Dick Gaughan, Porcupine Tree and Yes
Ian
Hugh
I’m a bit reluctant to announce something until I am sure that it is happening as I do not want to raise expectations which can’t be met.
In brief, we have a price from the BBC and we are putting together the other costs associated with the production. We have also had to spend a long time on the rights of other artists appearing and making some tough decisions. Once the costs are firm we’ll send a general message saying what is happening and to guage interest. Bear with us a little longer…
Ian
Hello Old Coop and welcome along.
I’ve heard pretty much everything known to survive of Jake’s work and I have never heard this. Hooray! a new challenge.
Ian
Oh, and I should have added: you undoubtedly have a higher chance of performing the songs which you want if you explore the hinterland of Jake’s lesser known songs but a lot depends on who else is baggsying and the mix of songs on their lists. At the last Jakefest in Scarborough, which ran over two nights, upwards of fifty of Jake’s songs were performed.
There aren’t many which have never been performed but there remain a few.
As regards picking – we have a mix of performing styles – some sticking closer to Jake’s guitar style than others. None of us are Jake impersonators: the idea is to keep the songs alive and breathing.
Post edited by: aliasmacalias, at: 2007/01/30 07:32
Hi Slybynight
Every year or so a ‘Jakefest’ is organised somewhere in the country at which -as a rule- allcomers volunteer to get on the stage and perform a Jakesong or two. There are a number of problems with this, one of which is the large number of people we now have who want to do this. Baggsying is the semi-controlled free-for-all which happens before a Jakefest when people are invited to scramble to be assigned songs which they know. This happens because there is a hard core of Jakes "big" songs which most people know but we can’t stage a show in which twenty people come on and sing Sister Josephine.
People submit in advance the songs which they want to do and other which they can do and someone – usually Malcy – tries to organise it all into a running order which ensures that no song is duplicated and everyone is more or less content with the song(s) which they are asked to do.
I don’t know when the next Jakefest is but when one is due a note will be posted on this site inviting performers – either existing or aspiring – to submit their preferences.
welcome along
Ian
